September 9, 2015
BERLIN (AP) " The latest news as countries (click here) across Europe cope with the arrival of thousands of migrants and refugees. All times local (CET):
2:30 p.m.
Austrian Chancellor Werner Faymann says countries opposed to taking in refugees under an EU-wide quota system should suffer financial penalties.
Faymann says it is "unacceptable that some nations, because they are not personally affected, refuse to work on a joint solution" to the influx of migrants into the EU.
His comments appear to be aimed at countries like Slovakia, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland, which oppose accepting refugees under a quota system.
2:30 p.m.
The Dutch government is making an extra 110 million euros ($123 million) available to help fund safe migrant accommodation near Syria.
Junior Security and Justice Minister Klaas Dijkhoff also is appealing for better cooperation in dealing with the surge in people pouring into Europe....
I think the determination by the Dutch government is very smart. Countries facing cultural problems can assist the helpless coming out of Syria. Such efforts can be coordinated by the UN, but, if such effort is to be a success for the Dutch, assistance has to be at least witnessed as a vested interest by the Dutch. An example of how large amounts of money achieves nothing but corruption is Afghanistan. It's corruption became a greater and greater part of the economy with more money being lost to invisible power brokers within Afghanistan.
I think the nation building that transpired in Afghanistan and Iraq built a greater danger to Europe, ie: when Daesh first carried out attacks that removed weapons and vehicles from the so called military of Iraq. At the first opportunity Deash killed randomly to secure such munitions and vehicles. That is a direct problem for Europe. Nation building as demonstrated in the post 911 environment only increased the danger to The West and the region. I am sure today, Russia would state assisting rebel groups and an attempt to supply arms is a violation of the Small Arms Treaty and increases the instability of the region.
Today, it is not only Syria with this unusual case of anarchy, it is also Libya. Libya has no sincere central authority, with assassinations by the recognized leadership internationally over the recent year or two. It's escalation of violence between tribes and ethnicity has been notable post Gaddafi. There is a real effort to divide the country into East Libya and West Libya. That so far hasn't worked but it also hasn't settled long standing disputes either.
At the beginning of the Ukraine crisis Germany built housing complexes for those attempting to leave the area to find safe housing. That housing was near the Ukraine border if I remember correctly. That is a far better idea than allowing significant numbers of people with unknown identity. It is compassionate yet a measure of control as well.
I'll be back, there is a rather interesting storm thundering it warning.
Sorry, that was an interesting little storm.
I don't know why these people are leaving Syria in large numbers, but, my best guess is that their leadership is gone and they have no one to lead them. That is the best scenario into why they are leaving. I suppose the authorities in any of the countries receiving them can interview them to better understand their exodus.
When I think of the Daesh regime it is understandable people would seek a refugee status, but, that has been happening and Jordan is proof of the burden that country shoulders to insure the lives of those currently refugees in that country. Jordan closed it's border with Syria about a week or so ago. If these stream of refugees is average to the experience of Jordan than this is more of the same.
But, the relationship Jordan has with Syrian refugees is different than the experience Europe has and probably will have. There are government officials that oppose the head scarves for girls and the freedom of expression in Europe is met with violence. That can't be dismissed as insignificant in to where and how these desperate people will find shelter.
There is also the idea over time these refugees may actually find remorse leaving and the subsequent change in mood that will come with comfort and when survival is no longer a priority.
I don't want harm to come to anyone and that three year old child dead on the beach was heartbreaking. But, as civilized countries it cannot be ignored there is danger in any person coming that may ultimately decide they have to avenge any sin they may perceive of committing with Syrian exodus. These folks have no religious leader and are used to a different type of religious leader. The communication and appreciation they must find in taking shelter in Europe has to be met with loyalty, too.
For as sad as their stories are the fact remains Europe has already been effected by dangerous people that find self satisfying murder in some bizarre idea of jihad. Europe cannot ignore there has been a lot of time since Deash first intimidated the Iraqi military and took their munitions into battle against that Iraq military. What is to stop them once in Europe? The last time a terrorist struck it was a chemical factory and not a nuclear plant because of security surrounding those plants. Is there any doubt the flying drone was to establish knowledge about the nuclear facilities.
Currently, it can be easily stated the people of Syria have no choice but to leave. There are no successful growth of crops and no indication there is clean water or sustenance of any kind. The mass movement of people makes a lot of sense when realizing what Daesh promised as far as living the dream and that it cannot deliver.
There is anarchy in Syria and parts of Iraq, but, that cannot be met with sympathy so much as assessment to provide compassion. What is the Red Crescent saying about any humanitarian aid and the conditions in the country?
I would think they would have good information regarding the success in humanitarian efforts.
This mass exodus has also occurred after Turkey decided to find it's backbone. Can the areas once cities and towns to these people be considered safe by now that Turkey has secured it's border?
BERLIN (AP) " The latest news as countries (click here) across Europe cope with the arrival of thousands of migrants and refugees. All times local (CET):
2:30 p.m.
Austrian Chancellor Werner Faymann says countries opposed to taking in refugees under an EU-wide quota system should suffer financial penalties.
Faymann says it is "unacceptable that some nations, because they are not personally affected, refuse to work on a joint solution" to the influx of migrants into the EU.
His comments appear to be aimed at countries like Slovakia, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland, which oppose accepting refugees under a quota system.
2:30 p.m.
The Dutch government is making an extra 110 million euros ($123 million) available to help fund safe migrant accommodation near Syria.
Junior Security and Justice Minister Klaas Dijkhoff also is appealing for better cooperation in dealing with the surge in people pouring into Europe....
I think the determination by the Dutch government is very smart. Countries facing cultural problems can assist the helpless coming out of Syria. Such efforts can be coordinated by the UN, but, if such effort is to be a success for the Dutch, assistance has to be at least witnessed as a vested interest by the Dutch. An example of how large amounts of money achieves nothing but corruption is Afghanistan. It's corruption became a greater and greater part of the economy with more money being lost to invisible power brokers within Afghanistan.
I think the nation building that transpired in Afghanistan and Iraq built a greater danger to Europe, ie: when Daesh first carried out attacks that removed weapons and vehicles from the so called military of Iraq. At the first opportunity Deash killed randomly to secure such munitions and vehicles. That is a direct problem for Europe. Nation building as demonstrated in the post 911 environment only increased the danger to The West and the region. I am sure today, Russia would state assisting rebel groups and an attempt to supply arms is a violation of the Small Arms Treaty and increases the instability of the region.
Today, it is not only Syria with this unusual case of anarchy, it is also Libya. Libya has no sincere central authority, with assassinations by the recognized leadership internationally over the recent year or two. It's escalation of violence between tribes and ethnicity has been notable post Gaddafi. There is a real effort to divide the country into East Libya and West Libya. That so far hasn't worked but it also hasn't settled long standing disputes either.
At the beginning of the Ukraine crisis Germany built housing complexes for those attempting to leave the area to find safe housing. That housing was near the Ukraine border if I remember correctly. That is a far better idea than allowing significant numbers of people with unknown identity. It is compassionate yet a measure of control as well.
I'll be back, there is a rather interesting storm thundering it warning.
Sorry, that was an interesting little storm.
I don't know why these people are leaving Syria in large numbers, but, my best guess is that their leadership is gone and they have no one to lead them. That is the best scenario into why they are leaving. I suppose the authorities in any of the countries receiving them can interview them to better understand their exodus.
When I think of the Daesh regime it is understandable people would seek a refugee status, but, that has been happening and Jordan is proof of the burden that country shoulders to insure the lives of those currently refugees in that country. Jordan closed it's border with Syria about a week or so ago. If these stream of refugees is average to the experience of Jordan than this is more of the same.
But, the relationship Jordan has with Syrian refugees is different than the experience Europe has and probably will have. There are government officials that oppose the head scarves for girls and the freedom of expression in Europe is met with violence. That can't be dismissed as insignificant in to where and how these desperate people will find shelter.
There is also the idea over time these refugees may actually find remorse leaving and the subsequent change in mood that will come with comfort and when survival is no longer a priority.
I don't want harm to come to anyone and that three year old child dead on the beach was heartbreaking. But, as civilized countries it cannot be ignored there is danger in any person coming that may ultimately decide they have to avenge any sin they may perceive of committing with Syrian exodus. These folks have no religious leader and are used to a different type of religious leader. The communication and appreciation they must find in taking shelter in Europe has to be met with loyalty, too.
For as sad as their stories are the fact remains Europe has already been effected by dangerous people that find self satisfying murder in some bizarre idea of jihad. Europe cannot ignore there has been a lot of time since Deash first intimidated the Iraqi military and took their munitions into battle against that Iraq military. What is to stop them once in Europe? The last time a terrorist struck it was a chemical factory and not a nuclear plant because of security surrounding those plants. Is there any doubt the flying drone was to establish knowledge about the nuclear facilities.
Currently, it can be easily stated the people of Syria have no choice but to leave. There are no successful growth of crops and no indication there is clean water or sustenance of any kind. The mass movement of people makes a lot of sense when realizing what Daesh promised as far as living the dream and that it cannot deliver.
There is anarchy in Syria and parts of Iraq, but, that cannot be met with sympathy so much as assessment to provide compassion. What is the Red Crescent saying about any humanitarian aid and the conditions in the country?
I would think they would have good information regarding the success in humanitarian efforts.
This mass exodus has also occurred after Turkey decided to find it's backbone. Can the areas once cities and towns to these people be considered safe by now that Turkey has secured it's border?
