Wednesday, January 04, 2012

Labor Unions have never been perfect, but, they have always been necessary, especially when the Middle Class is under attack.

Using members due to pay fines is no way for any unions to spend them, however, this is a clear illustration of the fact the courts that hear labor proceedings do not discriminate or favor unions.  They render justice according to the law no different than any other court.

Hawaii judge fines sheet metal workers union over deposition  (click title to entry - thank you)
HONOLULU (Legal Newsline) - A Hawaii federal judge has fined a sheet metal workers union, its principal officer and its attorney for violating the Court's earlier orders.

Chief U.S. District Judge Susan Oki Mollway previously had ordered the union's records custodian to appear for a deposition and produce documents in connection with a National Labor Relation Board (NLRB) investigation of the Union's hiring hall.

Mollway found that the conduct of Sheet Metal Workers International Association, Local 293, at the deposition was "tantamount to a failure to appear at the deposition or failure to answer questions."

She also found that the union's attorney "acted with knowledge and with more than recklessness in flouting the court's Oct. 3 order and in inducing Sheet Metal Workers to flout the order" and expressly found both the attorney and the union's custodian of records to have acted in bad faith.

According to the NLRB announcement, the court ordered a fine of $250 per day from October 18, 2011 and continuing until compliance; attorneys' fees and court reporter costs incurred by the NLRB due to the union's non-compliance, to be paid by the union's custodian of records and its attorney, personally; as well $2,500 against each personally....

In anticipation of military cut backs, Boeing is moving the serving of Air Force One from Witchita, Kansas to Texas.  But, the news of how the unions are working to protect their members doesn't stop there.  The military cutbacks are necessary.  Protectionist legislation for Republicans to guard their 'job rating' is not a national security issue.  The national security issue of the USA is over reaching its authority.

Air Force One maintenance moving to San Antonio (click here)

Updated 01:32 p.m., Wednesday, January 4, 2012

The Boeing Co. will move aircraft workers and maintenance of Air Force One to San Antonio as part of a realignment brought about by the closure of its plant in Wichita, Kan.
Mark Bass, vice president of maintenance, modifications and upgrades for the Boeing unit that operates the Wichita plant, said the realignment would move 300-400 jobs to San Antonio and about 800 jobs to Oklahoma City, where Boeing is moving engineering work from Wichita.
The aerospace giant announced the closure Wednesday, ending weeks of speculation about the future of a Kansas facility that currently employs more than 2,160 people.
Boeing said in a news release that layoffs at the plant would begin early in the third quarter of this year and the facility would close by the end of 2013. San Antonio will get the future aircraft maintenance, modification and support work that had been performed in Wichita....

I am not quite sure what is behind all this mess, including the South Carolina plant, except Boeings CEO is trying to get rid of unions.  I thought the Dreamliner was a success for Boeing.  Some of this doesn't make sense to me.

Boeingto Close Kansas Plant Employing 2,160 as U.S. Curbs Arms Spending (click here)

By Susanna Ray and Roxana Tiron - Jan 4, 2012 12:05 PM ET

...In a contract signed last month with the Machinists union district in the Puget Sound area of Washington state, Boeing agreed to move the tanker modification work to Everett if it were to shut down Wichita.
Boeing has outsourced more work in recent years and sold its commercial operations in Wichita in 2005, when Sprint AeroSystems Holdings, Inc. (SPR) was formed to build fuselages for the 737 single-aisle jet.

That company now also supplies parts to most other planemakers around the world and, at Boeing’s behest, is boosting production of 737 bodies by about a third through 2014 to accommodate demand for the world’s most widely flown jet.
Boeing said today it anticipates “even more work” for suppliers in Kansas, the fourth-largest state in the planemaker’s supplier network....

Sprint Aerosystems are based in the USA, but, they have two overseas plants as well.

Whether you’re a customer, (click here) supplier, current or potential employee, or a community member, Spirit AeroSystems has something to offer you. We are the world's largest supplier of commercial airplane assemblies and components. We offer a diverse line of products and services for aerospace design, build, support and spares/repair needs. With manufacturing and business office facilities on three continents, our capabilities are technologically world-class in both proficiency and capacity....

Locations:  I betcha this company is new throughout.  Let me see.

The Witchita plant is its first location and it has protected itself by expanding into Europe and now Asia.  The company is seeking marketability in all manufacturing markets where there is competition.  In other words, if Boeing were their only customer their viability as a company would  be directly linked to the viability of Boeing.  Hm.  Not bad management to keep a company viable, but, with so many 'ventures' one has to begin to see the danger to USA jobs as well.  


The Wichita location, (click here) with its beginnings as the headquarters of Stearman Aircraft and later Boeing Military Airplanes and Boeing Commercial Airplane Group-Wichita Division, builds fuselage sections for all current Boeing programs -- 737, 747, 767, 777 and 787. Wichita is also the home of nacelle production for 737, 747, 767 and 777 airplanes, and strut/pylon production for 737, 747, 767 and 777 as well as the Bombardier CSeries and the Mitsubishi Regional Jet.

The Prestwick plant is in the UK servicing Airbus.  Airbus must demand locations of a company in the EU in order to participate.


Spirit AeroSystems (Europe) Limited (click here) is the largest airframe supplier to Airbus and a key supplier of major wing structures with “life of program” contracts. Our Prestwick operation delivers products across the entire Airbus range, including the new A380 aircraft.

Spirit AeroSystems (Europe) Limited is based at sites at Prestwick in Ayrshire and Preston, Lancashire. The Prestwick site is home to around 900 employees and is one of the larger employers in the local area. An additional70 staff are based at Preston in Lancashire. Its aviation history in the United Kingdom dates back to the early days of large scale airplane production in Scotland in the 1930s.

The Oklahoma plant seems to be one of the original facilities that service Boeing products.  


The manufacturing facility in McAlester, Okla., (click here) supports both the Wichita and Tulsa sites with machined parts and subassemblies. The Tulsa and McAlester sites provide world-class structures and service for customers across the globe.

North Carolina

Opened July 1, 2010 (click here)

Spirit AeroSystems formally opened its new 500,000-square-foot manufacturing facility in Kinston, N.C., on July 1, 2010.

The Malaysia plant is just about as new as the France plant.  Kuala Lumpar is a financial hub no different than New York.  It is also a foothold in Asia.  China.  Need I say more?


Spirit AeroSystems Malaysia Sdn Bhd (click here) is based on a 75-acre site adjacent to the runway at Subang Airport near Kuala Lumpur. The 242,000-square-foot facility was announced in 2007 and became operational early in 2009. 

The plant in France makes sense because Airbus is a German company.  I am quite sure the company has to have a presence in the EU to qualify for participation.  The France plant has a direct relationship with the North Carolina facility and enhances job stability.  I sincerely doubt the NC Plant is unionized.

Saint-Nazaire - France

Spirit is building the plant in Saint-Nazaire (click here) to receive center fuselage frame sections for the Airbus A350XWB (Xtra Wide-Body) commercial aircraft from its facility in Kinston, N.C., USA. Sections designed and manufactured in North Carolina will be shipped across the Atlantic, received in Saint-Nazaire, and assembled before being transported to Airbus as “Section 15.”

If this is accurate, the holdings on Wall Street only go back to 2007.  The company, if it is as new as it appears, has increased its business model very, very quickly.  I never thought the business was that lucrative.  Privatization only started under President Obama of the aerospace programs.  I doubt that would have impacted this expansion.

Spirit AeroSystems Holdings, Inc. (Holdings) is an independent non-OEM (original equipment manufacturer) aircraft parts designers and manufacturers of commercial aerostructures to Boeing. In addition, Holdings is a supplier of aerostructures to Airbus....

A couple of things are going on here.  This company literally supplies parts to Airline companies by under cutting the prices the ORIGINAL manufacturers would charge.  They get the specs from who knows where and seek to produce the products to fit the requirement outside of that of the companies that manufactured the original aircraft.  I sincerely wonder the wisdom of that, but, at any rate, this industry undercuts Boeing and Airbus when it comes to supplying replacement parts.  I can't help but wonder their liability in the Air France disaster a couple of years ago, when sensors were found to be malfunctioning and the airline was found negligent.  That is pure speculation.

The other thing is that Boeing and Airbus could have sold out their 'parts' manufacturing to this company because it was not lucrative enough.  I find that hard to believe.  If a company founded in 2007 as this one appears at first glance can produce parts for air plane companies and expand at the rate it has in four years, they are making plenty of money or there are investors seeking to undo Boeing and Airbus.

This is really lousy.  Really lousy.  This company may be the one putting pressure on Boeing to move its manufacturing facility to South Carolina to cut labor costs.  AGAIN, the wisdom of that is highly speculative in producing an excellent vehicle. 

I can't say enough how the people of the USA have to build sold, unshakable local economies that can sustain losses such as this.  Wall Street has become draconian.  I'll explain.

There was a time in the USA when Wall Street CEO's had loyalities to their 'facilities' and the countries they found themselves employing people.  That was the case for a lot of reasons.  It insured their workforce, the education of that workforce and a 'long window' of profits, not short term upticks that provide bonuses every six months to a year.

But, besides that the 'computer age' we find ourselves and the large amounts of money Wall Street now enjoys in their coffers, drastic changes in location can impact a country in a heartbeat.  That in any form is not a stable economy, it also provides for a very volatile stock market.  That dynamic in a stock market CREATES 'bubbles' and it creates opportunity to 'ride the bubble' until it closes.

If this is at it appears on a short analysis, this creates volatility and not security for any company.  A company like this can undercut major manufacturers that supply dynamics to national security and a national economy as well.  This is just bad business and I am very concerned.  The people of the USA have to continue to localize their economies on all venues if this is the outcome to the liquidity Wall Street now enjoys.

The GOP, they can always be counted on to set back the hands of time. (click title to entry - thank you)

Published: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 9:19 AM CST
I’m trying to figure out the GOP platform. Their economic policy seems to be the same one they had in 1929, and it didn’t work then, if you remember.

Their political policy seems involved. One presidential candidate wants to bring the judicial branch to heel, using federal marshalls if necessary.

Another wants to reduce the legislative branch to part time and under control. Those can only lead to an imperial executive branch with no checks or balances.

Imagine Republicans promoting Alexander Hamilton’s vision of absolute authority.

Robert Farr


The Feds are getting it done. (click title to entry - thank you)

...Arellano Felix (at left) was extradited from Mexico in April 2011 to face drug, money-laundering and racketeering charges. He had been under indictment in the U.S. since 2003 and is one of the highest-profile kingpins to face prosecution in the United States.
Arellano Felix was incarcerated in Mexico since his 2002 arrest and was sentenced in 2007 to 22 years in prison on drug trafficking and organized crime charges.
The U.S. indictment says Arellano Felix was the principal organizer and top leader of the Arellano Felix cartel going back to 1986, and that the cartel tortured and killed rivals in the United States and Mexico as it smuggled tons of Mexican marijuana and Colombian cocaine.
The cartel, which was known to dissolve the bodies of its enemies in vats of lye, began to lose influence along California's border with Mexico after Arellano Felix was arrested in 2002. A month earlier, his brother, Ramon, called the cartel's top enforcer, died in a shootout with Mexican authorities.

The average Romney delegate to the Iowa Caucuses made $100K or more.

Reagan didn't have to create an economy, he simply deregulated and let Wall Street 'have at it.'  Once again natural resources was the focus.  The real problem with that methodology is that the USA is depleted of natural resources and results in extremist economics by the petroleum industry as exhibited with hydraulic fracturing.

Reagan instituted the largest homeless population in the USA for his time as a result of the Wall Street focus.

Romney is the choice for the fiscal conservatives.  I would expect the military conservatives to look to Santorum or Gingrick.

Rick Perry draws Texas retirement plus his salary (click title to entry - thank you)

Posted Monday, Dec. 19, 2011

By Maria RecioMcClatchy Newspapers Gov. Rick Perry is double-dipping, drawing retirement income from the 

state in addition to his salary as governor since late January, newly released records show.

Perry's move to begin drawing from his pension early this year while remaining governor, which his staff says is legal and consistent with state retirement rules, was unknown to the public until federal financial disclosures were made public on Friday.

The national news media buzzed over Perry's "retirement," although his staff said he had not retired but had begun drawing his pension.

On a campaign swing through Cherokee, Iowa, Perry was asked why the Employee Retirement System should be paying his retirement while he's still collecting a salary.

"That's been in place for decades. ... I don't find that to be out of the ordinary," Perry said of the practice. "ERS called me and said, 'Listen, you're eligible to access your retirement now with your military time and your time and service, and I think you would be rather foolish to not access what you've earned.'"

Perry has chided federal officials for being overpaid and called for sweeping changes to Social Security for American workers, calling the system a "Ponzi scheme."

The governor's gross annual salary is $150,000; his net salary is $133,000. The net monthly annuity check Perry started receiving Jan. 31 is $7,698. Combined, his net pay from the state is now more than $225,000 annually....

...Perry has a diverse portfolio. He holds fewer than 100 shares of stock in some companies: Coca-Cola, FedEx, Illinois Tool Works, Nordson Corp. and United Parcel Service, with value pegged at less than $5,000 for each company.

He has 100 to 499 shares in other companies including Wal-Mart, Canon, Cisco, Donaldson Inc., Dover Corp. Ecolab Inc., Emerson Electric Co., Sysco Corp., Hewlett-Packard, Intel Corp. and Johnson & Johnson.

Perry has 500 to 999 shares in such companies as energy giant ConocoPhillips, General Electric and Microsoft.

He has a life insurance policy valued from $100,000 to $250,000.

This report includes material from The Texas Tribune and the Los Angeles Times.

President Obama provides recess appointment to Consumer Bureau. Do it again !

Richard Cordray: Obama Invokes the Teddy Roosevelt Option (click title to entry - thank you)


...The going theory among Republicans was that Obama couldn't and wouldn't do this. Why? In order to break, in order for there to be a true recess, both Houses need to agree on a resolution of adjournment. Since May 2011, House Republicans have refused to do so. Instead, they've set up pro forma sessions -- every three days, the House must be gaveled in, and that's it. No action, no legislation. Republicans did this and pointed out that no president since Teddy Roosevelt had tried to ram nominees through in anything less than a multi-week recess....

Republicans are horrid.  They seek to violate every venue of decency that exists in the USA legislature.  Is it 2012 yet?

Perry did the trick. He defeated Bachmann after the Iowa straw poll.

Social Conservatives are never nominated.  They win in places like Iowa, but, they never make the nomination.  The Fiscal Conservative is always the nominee.

The problem with Fiscal Conservatives is the method of which they are fiscally irresponsible and how they buy their economy with the USA treasury by primarily over reaching on foreign soil to allow cronies to handle natural resources.

Romney is a fiscal conservative and is already stating how the USA doesn't use its natural resources to its best outcomes.  Really?  Currently, the leases purchased by private companies for oil and gas are mostly undeveloped, so Romney is not only rhetorical but a liar.  He seeks not the facts, but, only the political uptick.  If he was ever to be voted into the Executive Branch and was unable to deliver on the leases already sold by the USA, next stop to support an economic uptick would be war.  

Romney cannot deliver on increased employment in the USA from private conglomerates, because, they aren't interested in USA labor.  The last time that occurred was under Clinton when he made global friends with invitations for tourism.  It increased the employment in the country, increased the tax base, but, deprived Americans of fair wages.  That lag in return to a sustainable economy where Americans are paid good wages with benefits ended a long time ago.  It is that economy President Obama has been seeking with new venues of energy and an economy of Small Family Businesses that increase local economies.

Santorum had his uptick.  The only real challenge to Romney is Gingrick, unless, Huntsman can actually score in New Hampshire.  He might.

Michele never stopped smiling, her message never changed and she was loyal to her supporters and her values.  She'll be missed.

It is about time the Ecuadorians received justice. Chevron's $11.5 bn pound is equal to approximately $18 bn US.

The current judgement against Chevron is comparable to the $20 billion for the Gulf Coast of the USA.  It isn't just BP, it is all of them in some manner or another.  What Ecuador and the rest of the global community where oil and gas are drilled needs to learn is the 'land leases' have to include automatic liability of any trace of damage.  100% liability for any damage done.  In Ecuador there was wide spread cancers and birth defects as well as ecosystem destruction.  When is human society going to stop using carbon based fuels?  It is possible.  E85 is produced in abundance in Brazil.  

An Ecuadorean (click title to entry - thank you) appeals court has upheld a ruling that Chevron should pay damages totalling $18.2bn (£11.5bn) over Amazon oil pollution.

4 January 2012 Last updated at 01:51 ET

Chevron said the judgement was "illegitimate" and "a fraud".
Texaco, which merged with Chevron in 2001, was accused of dumping toxic materials in the Ecuadorean Amazon.
The original ruling ordered Chevron to pay $8.6bn in damages, which was more than doubled after the company failed to make a public apology.
"We ratify the ruling of February 14 2011 in all its parts, including the sentence for moral reparation," the court in the Amazonian city of Lago Agrio said in its ruling, according to Reuters....

Santorum might say the same things today. This is an interview from July 25, 2005.

Santorum assaults Roe v. Wade based on privacy.  Somehow the privacy granted women during those proceedings is wrong and different than any other privacy afforded anyone.  I'll put the link at the title as soon as I have it all up.

Maybe it will be helpful in reflecting on the extremism of this Republican hopeful.

...BROWN: Sam Rayburn, the legendary speaker of the house of representatives was legendary for many things, but is remembered for saying this if you want to get along, go along. Safe to say our guest tonight rarely gets called the get along/go along type. Rick Santorum, the junior senator from Pennsylvania is fiercely partisan, openly devout, frequently outspoken. He's also the third ranking Republican in the United States Senate, and now the author of "It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good." We're pleased to see him always, and pleased that he's with us in New York tonight. Nice to see you. 


BROWN: When's the last time you checked Amazon to see how the book was doing?

SANTORUM: My wife checked it earlier today. BROWN: Thank you. That's what we call the honesty question, right here. OK. How was it doing?

SANTORUM: It was like 100 or 120, or something -- 140, I forget what it was.

BROWN: Well, check when it you get off.

SANTORUM: I'm sure. I want to see which program gives it the biggest bump.

BROWN: You can't know. I'll talk a little about the book, a little about other things. I saw a poll the other day that said 60 percent of the country wanted to know how Judge Roberts felt about Roe v Wade. It's a settled case. Do you think the country's entitled to know whether he believes that that case was decided correctly?

SANTORUM: You know my feeling is, you have to look at the standard of what's been applied in the past. And what judges in the past have been forced to answer is, you know, how they felt about, you know, sort of the black letter law, if you will. Not really looking at, how would you rule in cases...

BROWN: I'm not asking how you'd rule. This is a settled case. Roe v Wade is a settled case, it is settled. Is this a fair question, do you agree that that case was settled correctly? Is that a fair question to ask him?

SANTORUM: Well, let me put it this way. That question was asked of Judge Ginsberg, it was asked of Judge Breyer and neither of them answered the question.

BROWN: So the answer is no you don't think the country is entitled...

SANTORUM: Well I think, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I mean, it's remarkable that we have an ACLU lawyer, not just someone who -- I mean, an ACLU lawyer who gets a pass on their ideology for the United States Senate and we have a lawyer who is really a lawyer's lawyer, he's been all over the place, is clearly not someone with an agenda and all of a sudden they have to answer litmus test kinds of questions. Is that fair? I would say it's not fair.

BROWN: All I want to know is if -- it's really a simple question.

SANTORUM: I'm giving you the answer. The answer is no. If it wasn't answered in the past, it shouldn't be answered in the future.

BROWN: OK. So we're not entitled to know whether he thinks that was settled correctly, no. Why? Isn't that a good thing to know? Because people vote for and against that.

SANTORUM: I think you should know about how a judge makes a decision and what he takes into consideration in making that decision. But as far as applying it to a specific case...

BROWN: Even if that case has been decided?

SANTORUM: Right, you know, I think even if that case has been decided, yeah. I think you want -- you want to look at -- this is not a test of how judges feel about certain issues. You get to elect members of the Congress. We have to answer those questions.

BROWN: Do you think there's a right to privacy in the Constitution?

SANTORUM: No -- well, not the right to privacy as created under Roe v. Wade and all...

BROWN: Do you think there's a right to privacy in the Constitution?

SANTORUM: I think there's a right to unreasonable -- to unreasonable search and seizure...

BROWN: For example, if you'd been a Supreme Court judge in Griswold versus Connecticut, the famous birth control case came up, which centered around whether there was a right to privacy. Do you believe that was correctly decided?

SANTORUM: No, I don't. I write about it in the book. I don't.

BROWN: The state of Connecticut had the right to ban birth control for a married couple.

SANTORUM: I think they were wrong. It was a bad law.

BROWN: But they had the right. SANTORUM: They had the right. They had the right...

BROWN: Why would a conservative argue that government should interfere with that most personal decision?

SANTORUM: I didn't. I said it was a bad law. And...

BROWN: But they had the right to make.

SANTORUM: They had the right to make it. Look, legislatures have the right to make mistakes and do really stupid things...


SANTORUM: ... but we don't have to create constitutional rights because we have a stupid legislature. And that's the problem here, is the court feels like they have a responsibility to right every wrong. When they do that, unlike a Congress, that if we make a really stupid mistake and we do something wrong, we go back next year or next month and change it, and we've done that. Courts don't do that. They only get cases that come before them and they have to make broad, sweeping decisions that have huge impact down the road. That's what happened in Griswold. It was a bad law. The court felt, we can't let this bad law stand in place. It's wrong. It was. But they made a -- they created out of whole cloth a right that now has gone far, far from Griswold versus Connecticut.

BROWN: I'm going to do something I almost never do. The control room just -- we're going to go -- we're going to run long here. This is fun and interesting.


BROWN: I want to talk about the thing you said about Boston for a second.


BROWN: OK. I don't know if we have this. We can put it on the screen, but you said "when the culture is sick, every element becomes infected. While it is no excuse, the scandal" -- referring to the priest abuse scandal -- "it is no secret that Boston, the seat of academic, political, cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm." First of all, wasn't that a little over the top?

SANTORUM: Well, what's over the top is taking a three-year-old article...

BROWN: What's the context?

SANTORUM: And the context was, I was writing about the priest scandal and condemning the priest scandal, condemning the church...

BROWN: Well, of course you were condemning it. No one supports it.

SANTORUM: ... and talking about concrete things we need to do to fix it. I was out there. No other United States senator...

BROWN: Why so -- why Boston?

SANTORUM: Because, again, context. What was going on in 2002 -- not 2005, but in 2002 -- that's where the scandal was. It wasn't anywhere else. We weren't talking about it. In 2002, it was the epicenter. We didn't have the report by the bishops conference. We didn't have...

BROWN: So now you wouldn't say that?

SANTORUM: I wouldn't -- well, no, there's a lot of other cities that were involved. But the point is that cultural liberalism and what I talked about is a contributing factor to how people view sexual activity. And I am not the one that says that. Robert Bennett, in the report that he issued on behalf of the bishops conference, called the Bennett report, said exactly my words, except the word Boston wasn't in it.

BROWN: OK. But you wouldn't say that about Boston now. Is that right? Based on what we know about the scandal.

SANTORUM: I said it then, it was the...

BROWN: Not then, now?

SANTORUM: ... yeah, it was the epicenter, and there are many other cities that that would apply.

BROWN: All right, I want to talk -- for the next -- we've got two more minutes. Will you come back, by the way?

SANTORUM: We haven't even talked about my book yet.

BROWN: We're about to.


BROWN: I'm not here to sell books. You're here to sell books.SANTORUM: I'm here to sell books.

BROWN: You're here to sell books.


BROWN: What we were talking about in the break was that -- my belief that actually in many respects, the left and the right talk (INAUDIBLE), but they agree on a lot of things. It takes a child -- it takes a family and it takes a village, in fact, are both true. And I think you'd agree with that.

SANTORUM: And I say that, yeah. BROWN: Right. And that the left doesn't believe it only takes a village any more than the right believes it only takes a family.

SANTORUM: It's where you start from. I think the left -- the left starts from the top down. Believes in the experts, believes in...

BROWN: What is the basis of that? Why do you believe that?

SANTORUM: Well, I mean, look at institutions dominated by the left. I mean, education. I talk about this very much in the book. I mean, it was created very much as a way of having, you know, social control from the top, and modernizing it to -- into our culture, progressive children, and having state control of education. It's been a battle ever since for local control of schools, versus the experts on top trying to decide for us how to handle...

BROWN: Republican administration -- this -- your administration has exerted more federal control over schools than any in history.

SANTORUM: Yeah. I have serious -- serious problems and have had serious problems with federal legislation. And had very serious concerns about No Child Left Behind...

BROWN: Did you vote for it?

SANTORUM: I voted for it, because what it basically required was accountability. It didn't dictate how we get there. It dictated that you had the measure how you get there. And to me, that is basically holding folks accountable for what they do, as opposed to dictating what they do.

BROWN: Do you really think that left and right have a dramatically different view of how a good child is formed?

SANTORUM: I would say yes. The highest virtue of the left in the world today is tolerance, and that is -- that's acceptance of anything, and anything for any reason. Well, I don't believe on the right -- or I don't think most Americans, not just on the right -- I don't think most Americans see it that way. I think most Americans want people to have certain virtues, honesty, integrity and all those other things. There may be agreement, and certainly obviously the left wants honesty and integrity, but there is a lot of things they don't accept.

BROWN: The best way to sell books is to be an interesting person. You have been. It's nice to see you.

SANTORUM: Thanks a lot.BROWN: Thank you, Rick Santorum.SANTORUM: I appreciate it.

BROWN: I hope you come back, really. 

SANTORUM: I will. 

BROWN: Thank you.Just ahead, the shuttle countdown, other things to take care of. This is NEWSNIGHT.


...BROWN: Thank you. I think the control room wants to buy a taser for those days the anchor runs long. Thank you very much.He was a millionaire rogue trader turned fugitive. As part of our anniversary series, "Then and Now," we look back at Nick Leeson and where he is today...

...BROWN: Okey doke. Time to check the morning papers from around the country, and around the world. That was fun with Senator Santorum, wasn't it. I've got to tell the control more often I want to run long....

...BROWN: OK. Twenty seconds for the picture of the day. Slight dispute. Get 'em both in. Give me the first one. Our team of judges choose Chelsea Davis, yikes, performing a reverse Louganis at the World Aquatic Championship.Show me the other one, quickly. Isn't that just a cool picture. The bubble child. I don't know, that's a kid swimming. Anyway, I like that one. We'll see you tomorrow for more, 10:00 Eastern. Good night.