Former Vice President Mike Pence, I believe, will run for president in 2024. He has come out to endorse candidates as well. He is setting up his own faction within the Republican Party. He has a right to do it and sets up a far different horizon for Republicans than that of sedition.
1:00 pm
Chairman Thompson reviewed the past session as a lead into the hearings today. The committee is showing all aspects of their investigation are tied together.
Trump focused on just a few states rather than wide spread fraud. Others would not go along with the directions of Donald Trump. There was a consequence to refusing to carry out lawbreaking and that was threats of violence and death by the greater mob Trump called constituents.
Dominion Voting Machines were called into question by Trump and his minions. A county commission was at the insurrection of January 6th? On no.
The Big Lie continues to corrupt our election system.
Vice Chairman Cheney states there will be an examination of the pressure on state legislatures and election officials. This occurred simultaneously with the pressure on Former Vice President Pence. All these background pressure campaigns was to effect a coup on January 6th.
Trump was told over and over the allogations of a stolen election was wrong by important people within the chain of power, including the Attorney General Bill Barr. There was confusion of some issue, but, NO EVIDENCE to support Trump and others allogations. Trump's advisors told him his allogations were baseless yet he persisted.
Gabiel Sterling stated, "This has all gone too far." There were threats of death from anonymous individuals. Mr. Sterling states there has been no condemnation of the threats by Trump or Senators. Physical threats by persons that have come to property (homes) where people were living and/or working.
Vice Chairwoman Cheney states the committee's work is not about politics, it is serious.
1:13 pm
Rep. Adam Schiff states Trump ran for the presidency lost the 2020 elections but he continued to fight that reality. The recounting would prove Joe Biden was the President - Elect. When all the tactics to close the voting and prove he won. Trump then engaged a pressure campaign that resulted in January 6th. No legislative body anywhere in the USA consented to a special session to change the electors to the Electoral College.
Conspiracy to Defraud the United States of America
This crime by Trump and his followers brought threats of death to election officials and legislators in the states. The title of the conspiracy was "Stop the Steal."
The ranting was heard by members of election committees and legislators and it was scary to them.
Josh Roelmann investigative authority. He states there were several states involved assailed by a strategy by those that supported Trump. Trump lawyers witnessed there was indeed a strategy that included false electors.
The officails governing such strategies refused to break the law. Mike Shirkey states he was going to follow the law even after approached by Trump with invitiations to the White House. Trump demanded a vote on recertification of the electors. Mr. Shirkey's phone was listed to Trump followers which resulted in a flood of calls to him. It was the understanding of those that called the power to change the vote was possible. They were obviously mislead by Trump in his strategy to end the certification of the new President.
Ah, Steve Bannon was involved. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Millions of dollars paid for ads to put pressure on supporters and legilators to change the certifications going to Washington, DC on January 6th.
Nick Fumes
Rusty Bowers - Arizona Speaker
Brad Rathensberger - Secretary of State of Georgia
Gabriel Sterling - COO in Georgia Secretary of State Office responsible for leading the Secretary of States' response to COVID and rolling out the elections.
Wondrea Sheloss (sp.)
They are expected to testify to the fact Trump was carrying out a conspiracy to a coup.
Witnesses sworn in.
1:30 pm
Speaker Bowers - stated he wanted Donald Trump to win another term in office. He, however, recognizes that Joe Biden won the election in Georgia.
Adam Schiff is wondering about a statement just revealed "RINO, Trump claims Bowers stated the election in Arizona was rigged in 2020." There are parts of the conversation is true but the idea the election was rigged was never stated by him."
Trump and Guilliani called Mr. Bowers to discuss a call from the White House. He took the call from the White House and Guiliani was on the line from the White House and then Trump joined them. The conversation engaged the proof of Guiliani's allogations, including names of 200K immigrants. Guiiani stated he had names and would provide them to Mr. Bowers.
No evidence was ever forthcoming by Guiliani even though Trump insisted they be sent. Mr. Bowers stated without evidence he could not hold any hearing to send the information to the US House on January 6th.
To what end the hearing? Trump and Guiliani states tehre is a legal theory in Arizona to remove the electors of President Biden and replace them. Mr. Bowers states he never heard of any such capacity within his authority. Mr. Bowers stated he would live up to his oath to the USA Consitution. He never would carry out such an action with this magnitude without attorneys consultation. That attorney names were provided to Mr. Guiliani.
"Are we all Republicans here and I would think I would receive a better reception...."
Mr. Bowers states the people, the legislators established the process of choosing the electors to the certificaiton. The people was always the center of those electors, especially after Bush v. Gore. He refused to deny his oath. On more than one occassion through this he was asked to violate his oath. He states violation of an oath that Mr. Bowers believes to be a devine origination. He states the oath is part of his very being and would never violate such trust and faith.
The hearing to such problems with the vote can be held anywhere away from Washington, DC. Guiliani was in Pheonix after the recorded meeting and election fraud was part of the conversation noting deceased individuals voted and outside groups were stating it occurred.
Guiliani pressed others in the meeting to the point there was sufficient evidence or action that would justify recalling the electors. Jena Ellis states she had names and would supply them. She stated she had all the names but didn't have the list of names with them. She stated she could get it to him. He stated they didn't bring the evidence to him. Guiliani stated we have a lot of theories but don't have the evidence.
The phone call preceding the meeting by Guiliani stated he wanted to replace the Biden electors with those that would vote for Trump. NO one provided Mr. Bowers evidence of the allogations.
Protesters in video Jacob Chansley (click here) was among them to call for Mr. Bowers personally. There was a core group of people carrying out Trump's Big Lie. That also ties Trump to the insurrectionists.
Whenever Mr. Bowers was asked by anyone if he would exchange the electors and he stated he would not violate his oath to office. Mr. Bowers referred to history when he measured his engagement of Trump's Big Lie to the people of Arizona. He really looked for a potential and didn't find any precedent. Mr. Bowers told Trump he would not carry out his wishes on two occassions. Mr. Bower states the Arizona plenary could be called into session. Mr. Bower could not do that without a two thirds vote.
Andy Biggs of January 6th called Mr. Bowers to sign on to letter from the state that decertified the electors. Mr. Bowers again refused to violate his oath and public trust in his decisions.
The Rule of Law forbid Mr. Bowers to carry out decertification. Mr. Bowers states he questioned what was allowed to do and what he is not allowed to do. He stated he was not a legislator and he cannot act the legislation into session. Plenary sessions can be called by only a few legislators, but, he stated that was not the case.
Mr. Bowers referred to President Reagan quotes about the peaceful transfer of power of the USA in his letter stating clearly his ability under his oath to obey the law.
It seems to me Mr. Guiliani and his assistant were attempting to INFER the power of Mr. Bowers could be violated if Mr. Bowers so wished it. I think Guiliani was passing on corruption and not a sincere request.
1:55 pm
Fake elector scheme:
One slate of electors from each state of the USA.
Casey Lucier
The Trump Campaign was supposed to arrange his own electors for the certification of the president. Mr. Guiliani and Mr. Meadows were involved. The RNC insisted the plot take place. The RNC was directly involved in assisting the campaign in establishing fake electors. That places a major party in the USA directly involved in insurrection and sedition. Former Vice President Pence may want to think about leading a new conservative party.
Matt Morgan emailed Mr. Chesrow
At times fake electors asked if the RNC would pay for their lawyers if they were activiated. There is evidence to who exactly the fake electors are in multiple sets of electors. Trump campaign of the physical property was sent to Washington, DC. The list of fake electors were nearly delivered to Former Vice President Pence.
This is extensive cospiracy. It attacks the very basis of our democracy, the vote.
Indeed, "The gang that couldn't shoot straight." In more ways than one.
Mr. Bower wrote about his thoughts about the fake electors and was not going to be a winner by cheating. I believe he was violated of his own beliefs. This is serious. It reaches into the very being of these people. That is not a minor violation.
Speaker Bowers offices were disabled to carry out it's responsiblity to the people because of the vast numbers of mail. Oh, my goodness. Mr. Bowers was harassed that he was a pedophile and threatened.
Three Bars on Chest emblem of one person threatening with a gun. The threats were disruptful to Mr. Bowers, his neighborhood, his family and in particular a seriously ill family member was disturbed by the events surrounding them.
2:11 pm A brief break was called. People appear physically upset by his words.
This is an article that outlines some of the insurgents (click here). The Shaman was on the second floor where elected representatives were only a short time before. There is also a blue lazer light in the video inside the Capitol. Were there guns in the room? The film shows a man handling the noose. There are people rumaging through the papers on the desks belonging to elected legislators.
The majority of individuals are not armed with guns specifically because they expected the Capitol Police and any other authority to draw guns. The insurgents would then make the argument they were unarmed and never to get their task done because of the deaths of so many of them at the hand of the DC police, etc.
2:26 pm
Chairman Thompson reconvenes the meeting.
Trump had particular obsession with Georgia. (Lindsay Graham could be counted on to help Trump with his fraud campaign. Just a guess. It never occurred to know for sure.)
Mr. Raffensperger states the election day in Georgia went exceptionally well. George went to Biden by more than 12k votes. Machine and hand recouts included every ballot cast in Georgia. 5 million ballots cast. The hand count came remarkably similar to the initially count and Trump came up short.
False allogations of voter fraud. Georgia election official, Gabriel Sterling, calls for calm and end the threats of violence. Dominion Voting official states a contractor was threatened by QANON members. The threat was on Twitter with a noose in the tweet. The threats were escalating to the officials in Georgia.
Trump's tweet claims there was massive voter fraud in Georgia. The next day Trump made a video stating thousands and thousands of vote "out of wack" all against him.
Giuliani states there were suitcases of ballots run through the election apparatus multiple times. Giuliani states there was a "smoking gun" that illustrates clearly there were legitimate votes under a table that were counted after hours. Guiliani pushed out a video to state the fraud in Fulton County.
Mr. Sterling states the tape was viewed over hours to of Fulton County and there was nothing more than normal election workers conducting normal counting. Ballots into ballot carriers that are sealed so they can't be tampered with and the appearance of "a suitcase" was actually a sealed carrier and placed under the table.
Ralph Jones the state officla called the Fulton County official and stated they needed to keep on counting after they originally closed for the evening. High speed and high capacity scanners were used and then a hand tally revealed the accuracy of the high speed tally machine.
Mr. Stering on tape explained the suitcase of magic ballots were actually a sealed container. The video proporting fraud alarmed people unduly.
Trump was raising money the entire time. Why would he and his supporters like Guiliani stop?
Mr. Sterling states it was frustrating with the lies and even argued with his family members at time. This reaction by Mr. Sterling states it was hard to get to everyone's heart. He defended the institution and it held. Mr. Sterling is the same reaction as Mr. Bowers. These men are intelligent men well established in the political and government systems in their state. This reaction is an obvious violation to their belief systems.
The allogations were debunked by Trump's own administration including AG Barr. The Fulton County allogations were completely debunked.
Look, this is a Guiliani allogation who supplied the defense to the allogation. Guiliani simply sold what was believable to the public. It was about money and nothing more.
2:46 pm
Mark Meadows called 18 times of Mr. Raffensperger's office. Amazing. It is clearly harassment.
Trump's audio obsession about Georgia. He sought to flatter a woman into carry out his message.
28K voters of Georgia did not vote for president but did vote in the down ballot. The vote for president went to the former Vice President Biden per Secretary of State Raffensberger.
Francis Watson was the woman he attempted to flatter and bribe.
Secretary Raffensperger telephone meeting lasted over 39 minutes about ballots and Trump brings up the suitcases again. B.J. Pack resigned and Bobby Christeen a Trump appointee found nothing wrong with ballot carriers.
Mr. Sterling states there was a consent decree for a ballot observer, Carter Jones, to observe the elections in Fulton County. There were no votes dropped late night. The last ballots were filed by 7 PM. 5k Dead people did not vote. 10,315 votes in allogation and there were only four found.
YES, DONALD. 28 thousand Georgians did not vote, probably Republicans. And YES, DONALD no one filled in the presidential ballot even during the hand ballot.
Imagine that. Honest and dedicated men.
Every single voter in Georgia was a valid voter except a very tiny number for any particular violation available.
Link from WSB from the arena. Trump stated he had a better link. The law officers that investigated the ballot allogations were stated to be incompetent.
Lin Wood. Trump states they are shredding ballots. Trump tried in the very worst way to bring about his will rather than the will of the people.
There were probably Trump people counting the people going into the balloting buildings. That would include 28 thousand people that did not vote for president.
Mr. Raffensperger stated there were no more ballots to find and there was no shredding of ballots. Mr. Raffensperger even states he felt threatened as was his family. Some of the texts coming in were disgusting. The texts were to put pressure on him. His daughter was threatened as well. These people are lawbreakers and are very dangerous. They are as much a law breaker as Trump.
Oh, wow, he brought up Fulton County on January 6th. He was horrible. I have to wonder why and who in Russia continued to support his allogations. Just a guess.
3:05 pm Witnesses dismissed by Chairman Thompson.
New witnesses to the table. Ms. Moss. Final witness. Worked in Fulton County election office. The election of 2020 Ms. Moss and her mother Ms. Greenland was threatened by Trump.
Swearing in of witness.
Ms. Moss answered yes.
Ms. Moss's mother introduced. "Hi, Mom."
Ms. Moss has never experienced threats in her capacity in Fulton County.
Mr. Schiff asked for her credentials to be understood and Ms. Moss's dedication to the job. She believes it is important to vote and many of her family didn't have the right to vote. Ms. Moss is African American. There are several Constitutional Amendments empowering the Black vote, but, we know for a fact they were frequently denied the right. That oppression of the Black Vote was addressed by the Voting Right's Act of 1964 which the Robert's Court found necessary to nullify it.
3:11 pm
Trump followers stated she and her mother were carrying out a false count of the vote in Fulton County.
Guiliani "...USB ports obvious there was surreptitous activity..." Wow.
Ms. Moss became aware of Mr. Giuliani claims of criminal activity at a regular working day. There was a video playing to her and her accusers were talking over the video making false claims. She was alarmed by these accusers. The accusers received threats and they asked if she was receiving threats. She never received threats before that point. She was panicked and her mother was involved in her thoughts as she is her only child.
There were threats on her Facebook cite. The comments were hateful and racist. The USB drive was a ginger mint handed to Ms. Moss by her mother.
Ruby Freeman supposedly a vote scammer was brought up by Trump 18 times in the phone call to Mr. Raffensperger.
Mr. Moss felt so bad for her relatives and for taking the job that was causing her family such distress. Ms. Moss never missed one election. Ms. Moss's mother's name is Ruby Freeman. She had no idea such events of threats would occur and the allogations that accompanied those threats. Ms. Freeman is proud of her life and her votes in the elections she participated.
The attacks due to Trump and Guiliani have caused her a great deal of distress no different than anyone else approached by the Trump insurrection and insurrectionists.
Ms. Moss feels as though her life has been turned upside down and relates to the committee a great deal of fear now in her life. The Trump insurrection has deeply effected her life "...in a major way." Ms. Freeman had to leave her home and go into hiding as per the FBI during the week of January 6th. The noose. The lousy bastards. This insurgency lead by Trump caused a great deal of personal harm to Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss.
Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss were good and recognized citizens in their town. Now, they fear for their own lives. Oh, her grandmother was assailed as well. People were at her home and knocked on the door. They started to push their way into her home to make a citizen's arrest. THE NOOSE. They wanted to kill them. Her grandmother was in the 70s. Now, her grandmother no longer feels safe in her home.
She was assailed in vicious attacks that also included causing her financial distress. How many election workers on still in Fulton County. Any election worker in the video has since left their trusted place in our election system.
It is all the same. Lies and threats against the very good and great nameless Americans that run the election mechanisms in our system. They are innocent people proud to be Americans and help the elections move securly and safely. This is outrageous.
Mr. Schiff talks about the tradition of the USA of the peaceful transfer of power from our first president to the "miracle" coined by President Reagan. Trump broke the convenant with the country. He conducted unconstitutional and UnAmerican actions. Trump caused a great deal of danger to the people in our country. Indeed, who among us is safe from such ruthlessness?
Public servants are leaving positions important to this democracy. "It is not who we are." They put their loyalty to the country and not one man or one party. "We have been blessed beyond measure in the greatest democracy... it should not be taken for granted....we should reject violence.... and value the truth and carry on with self-governance."
Vice Chairwoman Cheney thanks Ms. Moss and her mother for their service. She reminds everyone that public service is necessary and it is the individual that upholds the integrity of this country.
Roger Stone, John Eastmann, General Flynn and others indicted. Mark Meadows has hidden behind protections due to work with Donald Trump.
Pat Cipollone should appear to testify to the country.
Chairman Thompson brought attention to another recording about Trump's request from his lawyers. Mr. Kinzinger was threatened as was his family.
3:39 pm Committee adjourned.
