Russia may be conducting their own trails to ratchet up the propaganda and this may be nothing more than a tempest in a tea pot.
Currently, Mr. Avakov is the Ukraine Minister of Internal Affairs and he would be outspoken regarding the confrontation of separatists.
His past is murky and probably gives Russia the idea it can charge him at will for what they are calling the unlawful massacres of 2700 victims with an accomplice in Oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi.
...A source (click here) at Ukraine's National Security Council told RIA Novosti earlier that Kolomoyskyi spoke against the ceasefire in the southeastern regions and opposed any contact with the independence supporters there.
Currently, Mr. Avakov is the Ukraine Minister of Internal Affairs and he would be outspoken regarding the confrontation of separatists.
His past is murky and probably gives Russia the idea it can charge him at will for what they are calling the unlawful massacres of 2700 victims with an accomplice in Oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi....A source (click here) at Ukraine's National Security Council told RIA Novosti earlier that Kolomoyskyi spoke against the ceasefire in the southeastern regions and opposed any contact with the independence supporters there.
During Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko's visit to Donetsk region, Kolomoyskiy "openly said that he would never obey and that his army would finish off those separatists," the source said.
Since mid-April, Kiev authorities have been conducting a special military operation in the east of Ukraine to suppress the independence movement. The violence intensified after the eastern Luhansk and Donetsk regions declared independence from Ukraine in May. Hundreds of people, including civilians have died in both regions over the past months.
Poroshenko announced a week-long ceasefire on June 20 and then extended it for additional three days. As the truce was called off without further extension on July 1, the active phase of the special operation in the restive regions resumed.
Moscow has described the ongoing military action as a punitive operation and called for an immediate end to the bloodshed.
It is the same rhetorical story from Russia, "They have their story and they are sticking with it." The tail of woe begins with the USA backing criminals that are now within the Ukraine government.
The Russians are taking pictures from the White House website and spinning stories of conspiracy.
May 18, 2014
By Eric Zuesse
...Only a few months before this coup, (click here) Nuland had asserted that U.S. taxpayers had already invested more than $5 billion, in order to bring “democracy” to Ukraine, by which she was referring to the U.S. effort to oust the Russian-oriented, democratically elected, leader of Ukraine, President Viktor Yanukovych, who had prosecuted and imprisoned Tymoshenko for embezzlement and abuse of governmental office....
There seems to be some reports of violence within Odessa where 50 people are said to have been burned alive. The story fits into the narrative of Russia which continues to propagate fear surrounding the idea 'the Nazis' have returned and they are backed by The West. The Russians are branding it the next Khatyn. Khatyn is in Belarus and in 1943 the village of 26 homes and 156 people were torched by a Nazi battalion.
All this rhetoric has occurred before the May elections. Previous to the elections the interim government in Kiev was considered very dangerous by Moscow. Neo-Nazis. So, now Russia has conducted trials in abstention of Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov and oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi.
Why is this important?
It is the reason Russia decided it has the moral high ground with eastern Ukraine separatists and it's current aggression at the Ukraine border. The 'idea' base within Russia is very different than the facts known to The West. I remember Chancellor Merkel stating she didn't understand what President Putin was saying when they had a conference call. The very real reason that may be accurate is because they are on different pages. One is based in the facts The West learned once the killings in the Maidan occurred and the other a 'mind speak' derived reality that exists in Moscow politics. I am quite sure Yanukovych played the strong leader against the NeoNazis of Ukraine. So, Russia is now backing the Yanukovych political rhetoric by carrying out trails in abstentia.
Conclusion: The West and Russia are not only on different pages, they aren't even reading from the same book.
I could not understand how President Putin could justify any Russian backing of the Ukraine Separatists after they blatantly stood in defiance of President Putin's request to not hold elections. I get now. The 'political dialogue' within Russia is a long standing fear of any NeoNazi organization and/or movement. The reality is there are NeoNazis in Russia whom are an organized political party.
Evidently, the Ukraine NeoNazis opposed to the leadership of the Russian favored Yanukovych are of the deadly variety and feared in any leadership.
I don't recall any reports about 50 people being burned to death. The only report I am reading is that of less authoritatize cites on the net which don't really describe the incidents so much as state it occurred and it was the return of the Third Reich with The West's backing this time. If it weren't for the propaganda about The West I'd actually be worried about atrocities within Ukraine, but, the conspiracy is so far flung it makes no sense in the real world.
...Consequently, (click here) the reports of Kolomoyskyi’s tactics against the Ukrainians who refuse to be ruled by the Obama-installed government in Kiev seem to be consistent with this oligarch’s violent norm. Oriental Review headlined on 14 May 2014, “Bloodbath in Odessa guided by interim rulers of Ukraine,” and reported that, “The information provided below was obtained from an insider in one of Ukraine’s law-enforcement agencies, who wished to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.” The account there is a more detailed one than has ever before appeared, and it’s consistent with those others (such as this and this). It alleges that:...
This article mentions the "Bloodbath...", but, is more dense with gossip than any actual reporting of the incident. The West needs to develop intelligence regarding this incident, be it rhetorical or actual, and assess it's impact on continuing tensions between Ukraine and Russia. If this rhetoric is intractible, Europe may find itself in the middle of a growing conflict it never was responsible for in any way.
The West, including John McCain, needs to have a position on this because by denying any knowledge of it only creates 'the air' of conspiracy. This is the very basis of Russia's involvement with the separatists. Ignoring it and discharging it as propaganda without actually knowing the facts is dangerous. The West has to acknowledge this incident, claim it's knowledge base and openly address it with the Ukraine government and Russia if necessary to bring about a truthful understanding. Without embracing 'this story' and knowing the facts gives Russia it's propaganda base and it's justification for backing the separatists' violence.
It is the same rhetorical story from Russia, "They have their story and they are sticking with it." The tail of woe begins with the USA backing criminals that are now within the Ukraine government.
The Russians are taking pictures from the White House website and spinning stories of conspiracy.
May 18, 2014By Eric Zuesse
...Only a few months before this coup, (click here) Nuland had asserted that U.S. taxpayers had already invested more than $5 billion, in order to bring “democracy” to Ukraine, by which she was referring to the U.S. effort to oust the Russian-oriented, democratically elected, leader of Ukraine, President Viktor Yanukovych, who had prosecuted and imprisoned Tymoshenko for embezzlement and abuse of governmental office....
There seems to be some reports of violence within Odessa where 50 people are said to have been burned alive. The story fits into the narrative of Russia which continues to propagate fear surrounding the idea 'the Nazis' have returned and they are backed by The West. The Russians are branding it the next Khatyn. Khatyn is in Belarus and in 1943 the village of 26 homes and 156 people were torched by a Nazi battalion.
All this rhetoric has occurred before the May elections. Previous to the elections the interim government in Kiev was considered very dangerous by Moscow. Neo-Nazis. So, now Russia has conducted trials in abstention of Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov and oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi.
Why is this important?
It is the reason Russia decided it has the moral high ground with eastern Ukraine separatists and it's current aggression at the Ukraine border. The 'idea' base within Russia is very different than the facts known to The West. I remember Chancellor Merkel stating she didn't understand what President Putin was saying when they had a conference call. The very real reason that may be accurate is because they are on different pages. One is based in the facts The West learned once the killings in the Maidan occurred and the other a 'mind speak' derived reality that exists in Moscow politics. I am quite sure Yanukovych played the strong leader against the NeoNazis of Ukraine. So, Russia is now backing the Yanukovych political rhetoric by carrying out trails in abstentia.
Conclusion: The West and Russia are not only on different pages, they aren't even reading from the same book.
I could not understand how President Putin could justify any Russian backing of the Ukraine Separatists after they blatantly stood in defiance of President Putin's request to not hold elections. I get now. The 'political dialogue' within Russia is a long standing fear of any NeoNazi organization and/or movement. The reality is there are NeoNazis in Russia whom are an organized political party.
Evidently, the Ukraine NeoNazis opposed to the leadership of the Russian favored Yanukovych are of the deadly variety and feared in any leadership.
I don't recall any reports about 50 people being burned to death. The only report I am reading is that of less authoritatize cites on the net which don't really describe the incidents so much as state it occurred and it was the return of the Third Reich with The West's backing this time. If it weren't for the propaganda about The West I'd actually be worried about atrocities within Ukraine, but, the conspiracy is so far flung it makes no sense in the real world.
...Consequently, (click here) the reports of Kolomoyskyi’s tactics against the Ukrainians who refuse to be ruled by the Obama-installed government in Kiev seem to be consistent with this oligarch’s violent norm. Oriental Review headlined on 14 May 2014, “Bloodbath in Odessa guided by interim rulers of Ukraine,” and reported that, “The information provided below was obtained from an insider in one of Ukraine’s law-enforcement agencies, who wished to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.” The account there is a more detailed one than has ever before appeared, and it’s consistent with those others (such as this and this). It alleges that:...
This article mentions the "Bloodbath...", but, is more dense with gossip than any actual reporting of the incident. The West needs to develop intelligence regarding this incident, be it rhetorical or actual, and assess it's impact on continuing tensions between Ukraine and Russia. If this rhetoric is intractible, Europe may find itself in the middle of a growing conflict it never was responsible for in any way.
The West, including John McCain, needs to have a position on this because by denying any knowledge of it only creates 'the air' of conspiracy. This is the very basis of Russia's involvement with the separatists. Ignoring it and discharging it as propaganda without actually knowing the facts is dangerous. The West has to acknowledge this incident, claim it's knowledge base and openly address it with the Ukraine government and Russia if necessary to bring about a truthful understanding. Without embracing 'this story' and knowing the facts gives Russia it's propaganda base and it's justification for backing the separatists' violence.
