Any of us that subsribe to the newspaper realize it is a business, but, in all honesty The New York Times is an institution and one sadly lost if that occurs. Subscription is not only worthwhile to stay in touch with your world but from the standpoint that so much of American life and history is recorded there and shaped by the Freedom of Speech offered in print. As a subscriber there also an awareness of the 'family fued' that exists within it's corproate structure. So, from that perspective, in my opinion, the subscribers are the largest shareholders for the fiscal investment they have made in this institution. It wasn't right there wasn't a better explanation of the 'reason' behind the closure of the message boards, although, everyone believes the 'extremism' of some participants was interrupting 'the community' anyway.
Group Urges Investors Not to Back Times Co. Board
By JEREMY W. PETERS
Published: April 6, 2007
An independent corporate advisory group is urging shareholders of The New York Times Company to withhold their support for board members to pressure the company over dissatisfaction with its performance and ownership structure.
The recommendation, from Institutional Shareholder Services, raised the possibility that the Times Company could face another rebuke from shareholders at its annual meeting on April 24. At last year’s meeting, investors including Morgan Stanley Investment Management withheld roughly 30 percent of the votes for company directors.
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April 10, 2007
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Allawi: "...Bush's monumental ignorance and arrogant swaggering..." 4 bloody years of bungling, 3,300 GI lives wasted: 48,000 wounded GI lives devastated: 250,000 dead Iraqis, $500 billion wasted in a sea of corruption -
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Is the surge working?
....the slaughter continues...
04/12/07 Icasualties.org: 45 American soldiers killed in April
04/10/07 Reuters: 3 bodies found in Mosul, 2 in Rashad
04/10/07 NPR: Fighting Shia-on-Shia Violence in Diwaniyah
04/10/07 AFP: Five die in blast near Iraq university
04/10/07 BBC: 'Woman' bomber hits Iraq police
04/10/07 MNF: Roadside bomb targets MND-B patrol - 3 killed, 1 wounded 04/09/07 Reuters: Tribal leader assassinated in Khalis
04/09/07 Reuters: 17 bodies found in Baghdad
04/09/07 AFP: Baghdad bans cars in Baghdad
04/08/07 Reuters: 5 bodies found in Baquba, 6 in Kerbala
04/07/07 Reuters: Five Iraqi soldiers killed in Samarra
04/07/07 Reuters: Eleven bodies found across Baghdad
04/06/07 VOA: Suicide Car Bombing in Ramadi Kills 20
04/06/07 Reuters: Sniper kills 2 people in southwestern Baghdad
04/06/07 Reuters: 11 bodies found in Baghdad, 4 in Tal Afar
04/05/07 dpa: Abducted TV presenter found dead, 10 Baghdad TV employees wounded
04/05/07 Reuters: Two roadside bombs kill 2 in northern Baghdad
04/05/07 Reuters: 2 Policemen wounded by roadside bomb in southern Baghdad
04/05/07 Reuters: Gunmen kill 2 Iraqi contractors
04/05/07 Reuters: Gunmen set fire to houses abandoned by Sunni owners
04/05/07 Reuters: Iraq PM defends media curbs, praises journalists
04/05/07 Xinhua: Explosion targeting Baghdad TV station wounds six
04/05/07 dailymail: Celebrating Iraqis parade macabre souvenirs
04/05/07 MoD: Four British soldiers killed in Iraq roadside bomb attack
04/04/07 Reuters: 11 employees of power station killed near Hawija
04/04/07 Reuters: Roadside bomb kills police major in Mosul
04/04/07 Reuters: Roadside bomb targets head of police in Mosul - 2 wounded
04/04/07 Reuters: 10 Bodies found in baghdad
04/04/07 Reuters: Roadside bomb kills 2 Iraqi soldiers in Kut
04/04/07 Reuters: Roadside bomb wounds 9 civilians in Kirkuk
04/04/07 AP: Gunmen Kill 5 in Iraq Ambush
04/03/07 VOI: The bodies of five policemen found in Diala province
04/03/07 Reuters: 14 bodies found in Baghdad, 3 in Mosul
04/03/07 Reuters: Seven bodies found in Baquba
04/03/07 Reuters: Body of 14 year boy found with throat slit
04/02/07 AFP: Children massacred, Shiites executed in Iraq bloodshed
04/02/07 AP: Truck bomber levels Iraqi police station in Kirkuk, killing 15
04/02/07 Reuters: Suicide bomber kills 3, wounds 20 in Khalis
04/02/07 VOA: IrTruck Bomb in Northern Iraq Kills 11
04/02/07 AP: 3 Dead As Car Explodes in Baghdad
04/02/07 Reuters: Bodies of 19 Kidnapped Men Found in Iraq
04/01/07 Reuters: Gunmen kidnap 19 civilians near Baquba
04/01/07 Reuters: In Baghdad - 10 bodies found Saturday, 16 found Sunday.
04/01/07 KUNA: Violence overwhelms Mosul city -- security source
04/01/07 LATImes: Five killed in hospital blast in Baghdad
03/31/07 Reuters; Iraqi Tal Afar bomb killed 152, deadliest of war
03/31/07 Reuters: 5 bodies found in Suwayra, 13 found in Baghdad
03/31/07 VOA: Car Bombings in Iraq Kill 11
03/31/07 IWPR : Victims pile up at Mosul city morgue
03/30/07 timesonline: 45 bound and shot dead in revenge attack
03/30/07 Xinhua: Over 20 people killed, wounded in U.S. shellfire on Iraqi village
03/30/07 Reuters: 25 bodies found in Mosul
03/29/07 NPR: Violence Escalates in Iraq's Tal Afar
03/29/07 Reuters: 25 Bodies found in Baghdad
03/29/07 Reuters: 62 killed in Baghdad by suicide bomber
03/29/07 Reuters: 53 killed in Khalis by suicide bombers
03/29/07 AP: Multiple suicide bombings of Shiite areas kill at least 104
One of the last entries I made to the closing message board was one I felt was rather important. I firmly believe there is every reason to leave Iraq and not just as a peace process.
I have from the start realized the presence of the USA military was never desired. I also realized before Bush's illegal invasion that it was indeed illegal and while the invasion alone presented a peculiar set of circumstances that Bush took ownership of by stating "You broke it, you bought it.;" it was not about establishing order in Iraq, but, establishing through nation building an entity the USA's profiteers could exploit for it's own use.
All too often nation building by The West has resulted in tragedy for the people of a nation in places such as Africa, where villagers were slaughtered in standing opposition to Big Oil. The 'established' authorities worked with USA companies for personal wealth but the countries themselves never saw any result of the treasuries of the nation.
So, to believe "You broke it, you bought it.' was to believe all that transpired before the illegal invasion in every nation building priority before was valid and correct and would result in a better quality of life. That was a completely invalid conclusion and one I never adhered to.
As I have entered here on multiple occassion, the illega invasion into Iraq sent in pursuit of 'the truth' of the people of Iraq and the reasons they suffered global consent to Saddam Hussein for so long. The conclusion that screamed at me was the victimization of the Shia through the policies of the USA and the willingness of the USA to conduct profiteering in the face of bigoted religious attitudes of the region and the radicalization of the Shia. A radicalization, that if it did not occur could result in their genocide. It seemed to me no one was taking global head count of Shia and their plight and struggle including the integrity of their religious lineage.
So the 'Power to the People' march of the Shia in southern Iraq was more than welcome to my reality and a real sigh of relief.
conti2005 - 9:12 AM ET April 9, 2007 (#222248 of 222509)
Impeach Bush and Cheney. Rove is their front man.
The Shi'ites across the region want change for their people
The USA is headed for a rude awakening. Bush likes to 'victimize' the Shi'ite Holy Men as his enemy.
Iraqis Protest U.S. Occupation of Iraq
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/world/middleeas [...]
The Shi'ites aren't the Pope's enemy and he stated he is tired of the slaughter in Iraq. I happen to agree. The 'Unity Government' is NOT making progress in good relations with other countries in the region. Oddly the one with the most in protest of the Unity Government is Iran.
THE USA LIVES IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE for the LACK of information I find in the Arab press. Iran denies airspace entry to Iraqi PM
http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Iraq/10117051.html
BUSH NEVER accepted some of the priorities of a people full of fear for decades of genocide. He victimized the Shi'ites and turned them into opposition leaders rather than allies.
Insider: Missteps soured Iraqis on U.S.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Iraq_Insiders_Account.html
NEW YORK -- In a rueful reflection on what might have been, an Iraqi government insider details in 500 pages the U.S. occupation's "shocking" mismanagement of his country - a performance so bad, he writes, that by 2007 Iraqis had "turned their backs on their would-be liberators."
"The corroded and corrupt state of Saddam was replaced by the corroded, inefficient, incompetent and corrupt state of the new order," Ali A. Allawi concludes in "The Occupation of Iraq," newly published by Yale University Press.
BUSH DID IT ALL "W"rong as only a Bush could.
The Shi'ites are uniting in the Middle East and the result is unrest throughout the region.
Deadlock in Lebanon crisis
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411319/1054481
Shi'ite Muslim Hezbollah has given up hope of reaching a compromise deal with Lebanon's Western-backed majority coalition...
...with Lebanon's Western-backed majority coalition...
...with Lebanon's Western-backed majority coalition...
...to end the country's political crisis, the group's leader said on Sunday.
Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah said Hezbollah would not be dragged into civil war despite the failure of last month's Saudi-backed talks between the majority and the opposition to resolve the five-month-old standoff.
The Shia of the Middle East aren't going to be viewed as the troublemakers anymore. A new global reality has emerged with the USA invasion of Iraq. That reality is that the Shia aren't as radical as eveyone believes GIVEN THE FACT their religous minority is being attacked as 'extremists' when in fact their are the verge of genocide because the world has been so blind to foreign policy that has adversely affected them.
In my opinion, the plight of the Shia is proof of the lack of cultural understanding by foreign ministers globally and especially in The West. There is this monocromatic view of what is 'good and evil' that lends to huge misjudgements regarding peoples that the Neocons of the USA like to parlay into profiteering wars.
Israel is at stake and there needs to be a comprehensive understanding between the Sunnis, Shia and Israelis about a regional peace that will sustain it no matter the gross mismanagement of understanding cultural isolation to date by every diplomatic entity including the UN.
I hope the new UN Secretary General will bring a more vigorous campaign of diplomacy globally that we witnessed recently between North and South Korea. A good dose of 'the truth' tends to set Bush on his Butt when the transparency of his deceit to lead to war becomes all too obvious.
We don't belong in Iraq.
We never did.
Oppose the draft.
Bring the troops home now.
And Carl Levin can take a hike !
DEFUND THE WAR !!!
