I do not believe the issues surrounding 'illegal' immigrants in the USA is a complicated as some politically driven folks might want it to be.
Extremism is not going to RE-SOLVE the problem the country now faces.
...Third Substitute House Bill 116 (click title to entry - thank youi) is the most comprehensive of the three bills. It allows for those who are now here illegally to work in the United States after passing a background check and paying a penalty. It also allows for enforcement for those who will not comply with legislation and holds employers accountable to verify the legal status of their workers. Senator Stuart C.
Reid (R), senate sponsor of Third Substitute House Bill 116, said this bill is a combination of several different bills....
...Members of the House and Senate, Republican and Democrat, worked together to pass this legislation....
There are all kinds of problems for those that seek freedom by crossing the border of the USA without proper documentation and PROCESS. They risk their lives, do silly things in crossing the border and work for basically nothing once they get here. Their President is concerned for them as they are his citizens and currently Mexico has problems that drive their citizens north. It isn't just Mexico either. USA border crossings come from Central and South American. Talk about taking a hike to freedom. Wow.
At any rate, the saddest of the people caught in this mess are those already here by being born here. They are among the most victimized as they are more American than any other sovereign identity. They are a ship without a rudder, literally. They should be given citizenship on a 'fast track' simply because they are already educated to all the topics necessary for obtaining citizenship. We should welcoming them with open arms.
Now as their families, that is a little different. They weren't children or 'in utero' when they arrived. Adults making drastic and desperate decisions should face consequences.
Illegal Immigration needs to have 'dis-incentives' so the sincere and best path to citizenship is through legal processes. Those that seek the 'high ground' of immigration should be honored with rewards that are impeded. The USA should be generous in their treatment of legal immigrants. I am not going to discuss Visas as that is a sincerely DIFFERENT topic that isn't involved with illegal immigrants. Illegal Immigrants don't come with Visas.
The 'idea' that illegal immigration should be prosecuted and people are deported is appropriate. The population of the people already here because Southern Border States did not enforce 'the law' post Reagan reform is significant. It is completely unrealistic to believe the entire problem is going to be handled by police and sherrif and border patrol officers. So in realizing 'the real time' issue; the question stands as to what to do to be sure human beings are receiving humane treatment. They won't be leaving, so therefore, there has to be measures put in place to accommodate their presence. They need pay taxes and be accountable for their behavior. They need to contribute to the USA economy as well as exporting their 'work income' to South of the Border. It is a huge dynamic.
The 'Guest Worker Program' is a way to give people here a place to be recognized without falling into the category of criminal for deportation. That is basically all that is. I don't believe a Guest Worker Program is necessary for our economy, but, it begins to address folks already here and desiring to stay in the USA. They have to register. If they don't they are setting themselves up for deportation and rightfully so. As people register the 'deportation roles' begin to become smaller and enforcement starts to take on a realistic perspective. When enforcement of immigration laws becomes 'achievable' then and only then can the USA consider their laws effective.
That is and should be the goal. The illegal immigration policies have not been enforced and has become a matter of 'here and now.' What does the USA do with all these people to RESET immigration laws so they can be enforced and the integrity of the laws upheld. It is somewhat that simple. Effective law enforcement has to begin somewhere and issuing 'Guest Worker Passes' begins to 'trim down' those sincerely in the country with malicious intent.
All these programs that do not necessarily lead to citizenship doesn't mean they are victimizing or bigoted. What it does mean is that 'the definition' of the illegal immigrant is clear, concise and sets limits on their status. In setting limits on their status the law upholds the integrity of the legal immigrant. One can look at it as a penalty, but, basically the 'guest worker' came here knowing they were going to be working while in the country illegally. It simply adds that definition to their current status. It is a recognition of their status and it should not be viewed as amnesty. None of these 'programs' is intended to provide amnesty. That would change the status of the legal immigrants and that isn't was is best for the country. What is best for the country is to bring enforcement back to a clear definition and reasonable standard.
The 'idea' of amnesty is not only victimizing it also doesn't recognize the 'status' of these people through the negligence of enforcement since the time of Reagan. People have come here, had children here, have lives here and pay taxes. They are probably eligible for social program considerations simply because they have been here for so long. So, the 'status' of EVERY illegal immigrant is not the same. The 'process' has to realize there are basic human rights involved including the 'morality' of family and upholding the dignity of that American value. To simply say, the illegals are less than human and therefore should be 'sent back' regardless of children and family is not only victimizing but, down right Anti-American.
If the American Tradition states 'the individual' is to be honored by the law, that has to translate to people in the USA illegally THROUGH the negligence of lack of enforcement. And don't tell me they aren't desired in the USA. They are cheap labor without benefits or pensions. They are very much desired by the Plutocracy and it was 'allowed' to 'go on.' Hence, the country holds a responsiblity to these folks AND to returning the dignity to the law to return enforcement capacity.
The illegal immigrants may not see some of these programs as 'fair' but that is their plight. The Guest Worker Program is going to require them to return after five years of employment. It is called PLANNING. Both governments will know the dynamics of the population involved and when there will be a return to Mexico of these people. In turn, there is a great deal of fairness to the people themselves to 'expect' to return. It will modify their plans in realizing they can attempt legal immigration after they return to Mexico or wherever once they return.
I believe Utah did the right thing. It is responsible, resets the integrity of the law for enforcement and adds good and decent people to our communities.
When the USA is forced to deal with problems 'here and now' there can be no standard of 'correctness' or 'fair' or 'right vs wrong.' The offense against the immigration laws was allowed and NOW it has to be handled in the best possible way that upholds our standards and integrity.
It is 'path' is fairly simple and clear while the legislation to achieve those goals is fairly complex.
Criminals need not apply.
Border security is important.
The instability in Mexico with the drug cartels has to end and if anyone believes Mexico and the USA are to tolerate those cartels then they are sorely misguided. Sovereignty is important. Cartels are not sovereign nor should they be. They operate with laws and use fear and violence to oppress innocent citizens. Mexico and the USA need to get busy. Reasonable and correct immmigration policy will return function to the law and will aid in achieving control over the cartels and our mutual national security.
Extremism is not going to RE-SOLVE the problem the country now faces.
...Third Substitute House Bill 116 (click title to entry - thank youi) is the most comprehensive of the three bills. It allows for those who are now here illegally to work in the United States after passing a background check and paying a penalty. It also allows for enforcement for those who will not comply with legislation and holds employers accountable to verify the legal status of their workers. Senator Stuart C.
Reid (R), senate sponsor of Third Substitute House Bill 116, said this bill is a combination of several different bills....
...Members of the House and Senate, Republican and Democrat, worked together to pass this legislation....
There are all kinds of problems for those that seek freedom by crossing the border of the USA without proper documentation and PROCESS. They risk their lives, do silly things in crossing the border and work for basically nothing once they get here. Their President is concerned for them as they are his citizens and currently Mexico has problems that drive their citizens north. It isn't just Mexico either. USA border crossings come from Central and South American. Talk about taking a hike to freedom. Wow.
At any rate, the saddest of the people caught in this mess are those already here by being born here. They are among the most victimized as they are more American than any other sovereign identity. They are a ship without a rudder, literally. They should be given citizenship on a 'fast track' simply because they are already educated to all the topics necessary for obtaining citizenship. We should welcoming them with open arms.
Now as their families, that is a little different. They weren't children or 'in utero' when they arrived. Adults making drastic and desperate decisions should face consequences.
Illegal Immigration needs to have 'dis-incentives' so the sincere and best path to citizenship is through legal processes. Those that seek the 'high ground' of immigration should be honored with rewards that are impeded. The USA should be generous in their treatment of legal immigrants. I am not going to discuss Visas as that is a sincerely DIFFERENT topic that isn't involved with illegal immigrants. Illegal Immigrants don't come with Visas.
The 'idea' that illegal immigration should be prosecuted and people are deported is appropriate. The population of the people already here because Southern Border States did not enforce 'the law' post Reagan reform is significant. It is completely unrealistic to believe the entire problem is going to be handled by police and sherrif and border patrol officers. So in realizing 'the real time' issue; the question stands as to what to do to be sure human beings are receiving humane treatment. They won't be leaving, so therefore, there has to be measures put in place to accommodate their presence. They need pay taxes and be accountable for their behavior. They need to contribute to the USA economy as well as exporting their 'work income' to South of the Border. It is a huge dynamic.
The 'Guest Worker Program' is a way to give people here a place to be recognized without falling into the category of criminal for deportation. That is basically all that is. I don't believe a Guest Worker Program is necessary for our economy, but, it begins to address folks already here and desiring to stay in the USA. They have to register. If they don't they are setting themselves up for deportation and rightfully so. As people register the 'deportation roles' begin to become smaller and enforcement starts to take on a realistic perspective. When enforcement of immigration laws becomes 'achievable' then and only then can the USA consider their laws effective.
That is and should be the goal. The illegal immigration policies have not been enforced and has become a matter of 'here and now.' What does the USA do with all these people to RESET immigration laws so they can be enforced and the integrity of the laws upheld. It is somewhat that simple. Effective law enforcement has to begin somewhere and issuing 'Guest Worker Passes' begins to 'trim down' those sincerely in the country with malicious intent.
All these programs that do not necessarily lead to citizenship doesn't mean they are victimizing or bigoted. What it does mean is that 'the definition' of the illegal immigrant is clear, concise and sets limits on their status. In setting limits on their status the law upholds the integrity of the legal immigrant. One can look at it as a penalty, but, basically the 'guest worker' came here knowing they were going to be working while in the country illegally. It simply adds that definition to their current status. It is a recognition of their status and it should not be viewed as amnesty. None of these 'programs' is intended to provide amnesty. That would change the status of the legal immigrants and that isn't was is best for the country. What is best for the country is to bring enforcement back to a clear definition and reasonable standard.
The 'idea' of amnesty is not only victimizing it also doesn't recognize the 'status' of these people through the negligence of enforcement since the time of Reagan. People have come here, had children here, have lives here and pay taxes. They are probably eligible for social program considerations simply because they have been here for so long. So, the 'status' of EVERY illegal immigrant is not the same. The 'process' has to realize there are basic human rights involved including the 'morality' of family and upholding the dignity of that American value. To simply say, the illegals are less than human and therefore should be 'sent back' regardless of children and family is not only victimizing but, down right Anti-American.
If the American Tradition states 'the individual' is to be honored by the law, that has to translate to people in the USA illegally THROUGH the negligence of lack of enforcement. And don't tell me they aren't desired in the USA. They are cheap labor without benefits or pensions. They are very much desired by the Plutocracy and it was 'allowed' to 'go on.' Hence, the country holds a responsiblity to these folks AND to returning the dignity to the law to return enforcement capacity.
The illegal immigrants may not see some of these programs as 'fair' but that is their plight. The Guest Worker Program is going to require them to return after five years of employment. It is called PLANNING. Both governments will know the dynamics of the population involved and when there will be a return to Mexico of these people. In turn, there is a great deal of fairness to the people themselves to 'expect' to return. It will modify their plans in realizing they can attempt legal immigration after they return to Mexico or wherever once they return.
I believe Utah did the right thing. It is responsible, resets the integrity of the law for enforcement and adds good and decent people to our communities.
When the USA is forced to deal with problems 'here and now' there can be no standard of 'correctness' or 'fair' or 'right vs wrong.' The offense against the immigration laws was allowed and NOW it has to be handled in the best possible way that upholds our standards and integrity.
It is 'path' is fairly simple and clear while the legislation to achieve those goals is fairly complex.
Criminals need not apply.
Border security is important.
The instability in Mexico with the drug cartels has to end and if anyone believes Mexico and the USA are to tolerate those cartels then they are sorely misguided. Sovereignty is important. Cartels are not sovereign nor should they be. They operate with laws and use fear and violence to oppress innocent citizens. Mexico and the USA need to get busy. Reasonable and correct immmigration policy will return function to the law and will aid in achieving control over the cartels and our mutual national security.