The presence of the agents alone was a victory. Nothing short of an act of bravery and some might say suicide.
The right wing is calling this Ruby Ridge? Really? No, it is not. Not even close.
Ruby Ridge is used as an excuse by the gun nuts.
This is a matter of 'is there government and governance' or not? This is what guns have done to the nation, The West and the lives of citizens. There are these faux scenarios of government taking over that runs through the culture which creates the arms trade for military style weapons in the USA. Are American citizens suppose to be able to arm themselves into a nation separate from it's sovereignty? Will the American government ever lead scenarios of citizen murder?
The answer to both is no. The people should not be propagandized to believe they are facing an out of control government that will take their lives, property and well being. If anything, the people have more power in this case than any government entity and have and that is the problem. This mess has existed for twenty years. Twenty years of anarchy due to the high level of gun presence in The West. Twenty years of squatting allowed because of the militarization of the citizenry of The West.
Militias are illegal in the USA when it poses a danger to others. This culture has existed and chronically threatens the lives of federal employees seeking only to carry out 'The Rule of Law.' These are anarchists believing they are in control of their rights and only them and they have every right to pick up their weapons and threaten the lives of agents. I don't think so.
The likelihood of this escalating out of control is highly unlikely. Today is a different age than Ruby Ridge as well. I am not going to argue Ruby Ridge all over again, but, there are varying views in regard to the actions of agents sworn to carry out the law. These citizen militias are not justified in any way in this matter.
The entire actions by federal agents carrying out the law was litigated to the full extent of Due Process and these folks are simply breaking the law by brute force. They are as much a danger to our democracy as any aspect of this case. The courts don't discriminate in favoritism of cultures with intent to break federal laws and threaten the lives of our agents. The courts see to the legal authority of the government and the people within these militias do not respect the law or our democracy.
This is the face of the NRA and other gun organizations. Take a good long look.
The issues surrounding land and water will become more difficult as time goes by with the climate crisis. This reaction to a challenge to anarchy is not only important, but, only states how entrenched people are already. The USA military has stated water will become a driving force for national security. Well. Here it is.
The USA military is not coming. The aggressive nature of the USA government is not going to start a war in The West. 5000 people are not going to die as an example of a dictatorship. This will resolve.
Posted: Apr 11, 2014 4:52 PM EST Updated: Apr 11, 2014 4:52 PM EST
The right wing is calling this Ruby Ridge? Really? No, it is not. Not even close.
Ruby Ridge is used as an excuse by the gun nuts.
This is a matter of 'is there government and governance' or not? This is what guns have done to the nation, The West and the lives of citizens. There are these faux scenarios of government taking over that runs through the culture which creates the arms trade for military style weapons in the USA. Are American citizens suppose to be able to arm themselves into a nation separate from it's sovereignty? Will the American government ever lead scenarios of citizen murder?
The answer to both is no. The people should not be propagandized to believe they are facing an out of control government that will take their lives, property and well being. If anything, the people have more power in this case than any government entity and have and that is the problem. This mess has existed for twenty years. Twenty years of anarchy due to the high level of gun presence in The West. Twenty years of squatting allowed because of the militarization of the citizenry of The West.
Militias are illegal in the USA when it poses a danger to others. This culture has existed and chronically threatens the lives of federal employees seeking only to carry out 'The Rule of Law.' These are anarchists believing they are in control of their rights and only them and they have every right to pick up their weapons and threaten the lives of agents. I don't think so.
The likelihood of this escalating out of control is highly unlikely. Today is a different age than Ruby Ridge as well. I am not going to argue Ruby Ridge all over again, but, there are varying views in regard to the actions of agents sworn to carry out the law. These citizen militias are not justified in any way in this matter.
The entire actions by federal agents carrying out the law was litigated to the full extent of Due Process and these folks are simply breaking the law by brute force. They are as much a danger to our democracy as any aspect of this case. The courts don't discriminate in favoritism of cultures with intent to break federal laws and threaten the lives of our agents. The courts see to the legal authority of the government and the people within these militias do not respect the law or our democracy.
This is the face of the NRA and other gun organizations. Take a good long look.
The issues surrounding land and water will become more difficult as time goes by with the climate crisis. This reaction to a challenge to anarchy is not only important, but, only states how entrenched people are already. The USA military has stated water will become a driving force for national security. Well. Here it is.
The USA military is not coming. The aggressive nature of the USA government is not going to start a war in The West. 5000 people are not going to die as an example of a dictatorship. This will resolve.
Showdown On The Range: Nevada Rancher, Feds Face Off Over Cattle Grazing Rights (click here)
Posted: Apr 11, 2014 4:52 PM EST Updated: Apr 11, 2014 4:52 PM EST
What began as a legal fight between longtime rancher Cliven Bundy and the U.S. Bureau of Land Management has escalated as Bundy kept his cattle on the federal land, and the government has responded by beginning roundups of the livestock....
